From jmurtari at AKidsRight.org  Fri Nov  9 10:55:27 2007
From: jmurtari at AKidsRight.org (John Murtari)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:55:27 -0500
Subject: Need a Mom! Clinton asked about Syracuse in Iowa & Your FEEDBACK
Message-ID: <18228.33519.97071.198449@hammer.thebook.com>

Good People & People of Faith,

1. Have a loving Dad - we need a loving Mom.
2. Clinton asked in Iowa - What's going on in Syracuse?
3. Help Mom jailed - for back child support!
4. Your FEEDBACK - chalk & jail effective?
5. Your FEEDBACK - Baskerville book.


1. Have a loving Dad - we need a loving Mom.
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We may have the start of some real progress in focusing attention on
Sen. Clinton and reform.  Many of you know of the arrests and jail
time I have experienced, http://www.AKidsRight.Org/clinton .

Many of us also know it's easy to label one person as being a 'crank'
or a 'crazy' -- three people together are a 'movement'.  We are
hopefully close to that goal and a real acceleration in putting reform
on the National agenda.

I've had a Dad contact me who is ready to take chalk in hand at the
Syracuse Federal Building in January.  Ready to write "I LOVE YOU" to
his child and "SEN CLINTON HELP US" and accept the consequences
without anger. Loving self sacrifice, NonViolent Action.
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/civil.htm

We now need a Mom to join us and hopefully many more mothers & fathers
will also join.  Why Mom?  Because this is not a Father's Rights or
Mother's rights effort -- what we want is our basic human right to be
a parent recognized and protected,
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/approach.htm

We need mothers & fathers separated from their kids not just by
divorce -- but also the social workers of "child protective" services.
We are all in this together -- but we need to RECOGNIZE and SHOW that
we are EQUAL parents.

As more parents join our effort we will try to keep a balance in who
participates.  The greatest weapon opponents of reform have is to
portray this as a gender war and excite hatred between moms and dads
(which is all too easy to due after divorce/separation!).

Please, review the links above and contact me: John Murtari
jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org, (toll free) 1-877-635-1968,x-211


2. Clinton asked in Iowa - What's going on in Syracuse?
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[ We are trying to make Sen. Clinton take a public position on 
Family Rights.  One BIG step was taken when John Miller stood up
and asked her about what was going on in Syracuse, NY, at one of
her 'town meetings' in Iowa. His report is below.

The Iowa election is still about 8 weeks away.  Hopefully more parents
will ask her a similar question at every opportunity.  Mr. Miller is
trying to get the audio/video from the event. He is a parent who saw
his rights ignored by the system.  He is also a former Navy Pilot,
flew for Pan Am, and is still a commercial pilot. We hope to have a
fuller bio in the future. ]

Submitted by John Miller <jmill2k at earthlink.net>:

Just launched this text to the reporter from Dubuque's Telegraph Herald 
who wrote the article about Hillary's visit:

Thank you for returning my call last week.

  I'm currently laying over in San Diego - where the fires have
  subsided and are reported to be under control - and have two more
  trips to fly before I return to Dubuque on Friday.

  I write to explain how that picture of the young man and Senator
  Clinton, which accompanied your Telegraph Herald article on the
  Maquoketa event, came to be. In short, the picture was snapped as a
  result of my traveling there in search of Justice in the realm of
  America's disastrous Family Law system. As you can learn from my
  pre-campaign website, I recently ran afoul with Dubuque's own rather
  Draconian system of Family Law, but I traveled to Maquoketa not to
  question the Senator about my own case, but rather about the case of
  a man, John Murtari, who resides in her home state of New York.

  For years, Mr. Murtari has been part of an organization that focuses
  on family rights, and although he has repeatedly attempted to engage
  in a discussion with Senator Clinton, although he and others have
  repeatedly engaged in peaceful protests - many of which have
  resulted in his arrest - that focus on the issues, and although he
  inferred from her staff that dialog would occur, to date there has
  been none. He was quite excited to learn that I was attending her
  Maquoketa rally, and when he asked if I might question her about
  that lack of dialog, I told him I'd combine the anger I felt about
  my own circumstances with the hope he has instilled in me by his
  courageous acts and thus driven by Anger and Hope, would make a most
  valiant effort to do so.

  If you were there, you know it was quite hot in the room, so the
  Senator sensibly spoke quickly about platform and planks, then moved
  right to the question and answer period. Apparently it was difficult
  for her not to notice me, the Man on a Mission, because I was the
  only one standing at the head of one of the aisles, right up against
  the airport-style post and tape barrier, waving my hand vigorously
  way high in the air, only ten feet from her, and although she
  probably considered me a Man who Might be a Nuisance, she
  nonetheless allowed my question.

  I don't remember exactly what I said - and I'm hoping the Telegraph
  Herald has a video and/or audio recording of my asking the question
  - but I'd crafted that question from what John had emailed me:

     "Senator Clinton, you've said repeatedly you want to engage the
     country in dialog.  I wanted to bring your attention to someone I
     know in Syracuse, New York.  A coordinator for a Family Rights
     group of loving Moms and Dads.  They've written many letters, met
     with your aids in Syracuse and Washington, but never gotten a
     reply.  He's repeatedly called your local Syracuse office and
     never had a call returned.  It has progressed to the point where
     he is writing with kid's chalk "Sen Clinton Help Us" on the
     ground outside your office building.  This person is not a
     'crank' or a 'crazy', but a concerned parent.  Could you please
     follow up and find out why no dialog was been started?"

  She may have thought she was "off the hook", because she motioned to
  aides positioned by one of the exits and suggested I speak with them
  after the event, which I did, but not before keeping her on the hook
  with a second question about - speaking of colorful TH pictures -
  the murky Blackwater situation.

  After I spoke with two of Senator Clinton's aides, a woman came to
  me and asked more about the questions I'd posed, especially about
  that second one related to Blackwater, which I'd yelled out after an
  aide, supposing I was allowed only one question, had taken the mike
  away. I explained each to her, and as she thanked me, she looked
  over at the large crowd surrounding the Senator by the exit and
  said, "Oh, I wish I could have a picture taken of my son with her."

  Happily, the Energy derived from Anger and Hope had not subsided, so
  I said firmly, "Let's go!" and within seconds, we pushed through and
  stood right by the good Senator, who probably thought, "Oh no,
  here's that guy again." but was nevertheless quite gracious in
  allowing that picture of her and the woman's son to be taken.

  Thereby hangs the tale.

  More to follow, including why our fair city's name may become a
  household word in Eritrea, but more importantly, why there can be no
  healing in Iraq unless there is healing in Dubuque.

  Thanking you for all your journalistic efforts now and during the
  Wild Times ahead, I am

  Very sincerely yours,
  John Miller


3. Help Mom jailed - for back child support!
--------------------------------------------

[Received the following message from Diane, don't know a lot of the
details?  Tried to contact her via email -- but just got a not
available auto reply.  She may be in jail now. ]

--- Diane Turner Tyler <dianetyler at comcast.net>

> I am reporting to Montgomery County, PA sheriff's office this coming
> Monday for incarceration re: child support arrears and while caring
> for a mother with primary liver cancer....details are in the
> attached motion submitted today.  I don't know if this is something
> you would like to distribute, but you are certainly welcome to do
> so.

> BTW, I just finished a paper on The Constitution and Child Support
> Enforcement Laws for my second master's degree - this one a Law and
> Social Policy degree at Bryn Mawr grad school - and Baskerville has
> proved to be a consistent and reliable source...

> Diane Turner Tyler, 109 Iona Avenue Narberth, PA 19072



4.  Your FEEDBACK -- chalk & jail effective?
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Original message: http://www.AKidsRight.Org/archive/archive2007/0043.html 


--- "C. Lanzisera" <lanzisera at msn.com>

> john,,you have to find a new technique!!!!!


--- "Tom Moore" <tom-moore at carolina.rr.com>

> Maybe you should obey the law and find a way to demonstrate your
> point that is not in DIRECT violation of an order.  I feel for your
> situation, however I don't think you do any non-custodial father or
> mother justice by doing these things.  As ridiculous as it is, it is
> still disobeying the law and in doing so you make us all look
> reckless!

I've had a few folks express some similar views but never gotten much
of a follow up from them when I have replied.  I'd appreciate your
thoughts.

The approach/methods we take to an issue like family law reform depend
on our goals.  What concrete legislative goal would achieve what you
desire?  If you look back at history with people with a similar goals,
what methods did they use that were successful and that you plan on
copying?

I think our goals are pretty clear at the web site and also the
methods and historical background:
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/approach.htm

(no reply from Tom - how about you?)


--- Joe Jurecki <joejurecki at achildsright.net>

> I have heard of your jail term in our fight for equal parenting and
> just wanted to say thanks for standing up for your beliefs and our
> constitutional rights. http://www.myspace.com/familyrights and
> http://www.daddyblogger.com/ are sites I am associated with. Once
> again thanks goes out from my family.


--- Paul Fisher <pfisher at pobox.com>

> Way to go man!  I love telling people you are our "ambassador" to
> Senator Clinton.  I'll eventually find a way to help from Ohio.
> BTW, We won the Ohio Supreme Court case!  It is now harder to strip
> the rights from a parent who shares custody and resident status in a
> shared parenting order.  http://fishercase.com/
 
> Now we just have to make shared parenting the norm.
 
> I just want to know why there is no video of what you are doing.  I
> got my drivers license back from child support.  If need be I'll
> drive to NY to tape you doing this again.  Just need someone to
> front the cash for gas, I'm certain someone out there could make
> that happen.


--- Granny Sally <WWDOVEW at aol.com>

> Glad to see that you are free from jail.  Interesting isn't it, that
> in an overcrowded facility that they would even entertain the
> prospect of jailing for such a minor crime.  Seems like community
> service (if there truly needed to be a punishment) would be a better
> alternative to jailing for this crime, which was no crime anyway!
 
> I guess it is really necessary for the system to make a statement
> against those that express their thoughts.  If a child had written
> on the sidewalk with chalk, no one would have done a thing.  But,
> going after help from those that govern does get one into trouble.
> Sad society we live in. Keep up the good work!  I will be using
> chalk soon myself!


--- Todd <t.hodgen at misiusystems.com>

> I used to enjoy reading your emails.  However, this new tact of
> speaking condescendingly to others as if what they are doing is less
> important is quite disturbing.  People deal with their issues in the
> way they feel they need to.  And although some do nothing, many
> others are busy doing their thing in the way they feel they are most
> productive.  Others could ask the same thing - what has this
> accomplished?  I won't, but know that I have accomplished much for
> others by what I do, and I'm sure others feel the same way.

> Rather than putting down what others may or may not have done, why
> not open discussions to what others are doing, what is working, what
> is not working, for a greater understanding of what we should do
> more of, what we should do less of, so that everyone is improving
> their personal situation.  This all reminds me of an old rock song
> that I never quite understood or enjoyed - "Bang your head"


I don't really think the tone is in any way condescending, but it does
present a challenge and a difference of opinion.  Because people deal
with 'their issues int he way they feel they need to...' does not in
any way make it correct or in any way effective.  A discussion of what
'works' is useful and that is what the group/list is about.  I think
self-sacrifice is essential and effective to a real reform effort.
I've set a clear goal, getting Clinton to meet with parents hurt by
the system -- if we can get that to happen, then perhaps more people
will come forward.

Many blacks tolerated segregation 'in their own way'.  But when their
consciences were pricked by watching what others were doing and the
sacrifices being made, it inspired more of those people to join the
effort.  When we quietly tolerate a gross violation of a basic human
and civil right, we cooperate with injustice.  We are all in different
positions and backgrounds and sacrifice is easier for some than others
-- I don't look down on those who can't do it.  Every day I myself am
reminded of how I 'pull my punches' to reduce the impact in my life.
Right now I'm taking a break so 'reform' won't interfere with me
seeing my son during the holidays.  It humbles me and helps get rid of
any anger I might feel toward the system or others, I'm just as bad
myself in living up to 'ideals'.


-- Todd's follow-up reply

Let me give you an idea of how some of us have been working
differently, and getting a great job done.

Several of us in Washington that are missing our kids have focused on
gathering evidence about how the courts are corrupt, how they operate
with the Title IV-D organizations, etc.  While some are trying to get
the attention of the media and politicians that care little about
these issues, we have been gathering hard evidence of corruption.

As one example, we found a court in our state that was failing state
law by not recording family court hearings, and when they did, they
destroyed them after just 6 months, another violation of state law.
It is difficult to go back to court to get evidence of a corrupted
ruling, when the very courts that have been acting fraudulent destroys
evidence they are mandated to keep.

After 18 months of hard fighting, we have won our battle, and the
courts are not recording as they should, and storing these vital
records for 6 years, rather than 6 months.  It has had a positive
effect on hundreds of cases heard each month in one county alone.

Additionally, a small group has stopped a Child Support agency in its
tracks from suggesting to our legislature to raise child support by
almost 85%, changing the limit of garnishment from a paycheck from 50%
to 65% for child support, and we have successfully gotten our
legislature to make changes in our laws that say that judges can't
consider shared parenting unless both parents agree to it.  This was
causing over 90% of the cases in our state to leave one parent with
just every other weekend visits, and 85% of divorces were ending with
the mother having gained full custody.

We have exposed corruption in our state, and continue to do so on our
blogs at http://www.WashingtonSharedParenting.com/ and
http://www.USSharedParenting.com/ We also run advertising campaigns
that attract new NCP parents each month, which we try to get involved
in our battles.  It's by telling them how important they are to the
future of their children and future grandchildren that we get them
involved.  It's by telling them that we need them as much as they need
us that they get involved.

Slowly, we are making a difference.  And this comes at a personal
sacrifice as well, as some of us have warrants out for our arrests,
which we continue to evade, and others have raised the eye of law
enforcement who follows the calling of dV industry maggots and try to
squelch our free speech.  But we fight on.

We encourage others to find their own way of fighting, and to fight.
There are many battles to be fought and many ways of doing it.  I
encourage them all.


--- "Gary Coy" <gdcoy1 at verizon.net>

> There are a few points in this script that you should take note of;
> The bar associations of the world are at the root of all the worlds'
> problems.  They are the church are the money worshipers who have
> been our enemies for thousands of years.  If you want to know what
> the money worshipers have been doing for the past 150 yrs. just look
> at the history of the Bar Association. They took over our government
> & now are betraying "All that is right" {which is our God} for the
> money.  There is only one truth & there is only one one solution to
> the worlds problems "Expose the bar associations of the world & give
> them credit for the work they have been doing for the money & their
> master Satan" When you exclude any mention of the bar you make me
> feel like your working for them; After all "You can't serve two
> masters".  Give this some thought & see if you can get the job done
> using the ammunition I've given you "The truth destroys all the lies
> of the bar & can restore peace & serenity to the world."

Not sure if I would blame the 'bar' for everything?  Probably more
that good people are not willing to live up to the courage of their
convictions. We have taken many things for granted, but positive
change is still possible if we have good people of Faith


--- Jim  Pleace <jpleace at yahoo.com>

> Glad to hear you survived it. My thoughts are with you. I am caught
> in a paradox. If I get arrested, I lose my job, if I lose my job I
> can't pay child support, and if I can't do that I end up in arrears
> or in jail. WTF am I supposed to do? I'm not self-employed? Any
> other suggestions? We know the damn legislators, ESP Clinton aren't
> listening and I know my EX sure as hell isn't listening, so what in
> the HELL do I do? I have a friend in a worse situation. Not only has
> he had a rough year-being served with divorce papers and false RO
> upon leaving the psych hospital (after his mother died, father
> committed suicide) and is now jobless and near suicidal. 

> What is HE going to do? I am hanging on by my teeth. Of COURSE I'm
> angry but should I run onto West End and jump under a bus? I was
> trying to appeal to my ex's emotional, mature side but she doesn't
> have one. The politicians, not a damn one of them CARE. WHAT DO YOU
> SUGGEST JOHN? NOBODY IS LISTENING. NOBODY UNDERSTANDS EXCEPT THOSE
> OF US GOING THROUGH IT. Vote John, vote. If you're in Clinton's
> district, VOTE AGAINST HER. Vote against everyone of the
> sonsofbitches that are against us. To my knowledge only one man is
> Pro-Father on the ballot and that is Dr. Mark Klein. He is not even
> on the radar-hell look at what they're doing to Ron Paul!! So my
> rant being over John, I approve of your civil disobedience and
> admire it but you're screwing with POWER there John-do what I do,
> grit your teeth and see Dom if you can. I can't endure any more
> anxiety or depression. I will help in any way I can but right now
> work is the only thing stable in my life.

I appreciate what you are saying and the trouble we are all in.  No
one is going to pay attention to 'our' cause until we do.  If we think
our great Civil Right to be a parent to our kids has been violated, we
have to do what folks in the past did and the 'right' way.  That is
why I really recommend you rent that Gandhi movie -- there are a LOT
of parallels to what we are going through now.

-- Jim's follow-up reply

> Thanks for the correspondence. No, we must not quit. This is not the
> America I came to, or at least saw on the surface. Having seen the
> dark undercurrent and being in the same boat as you and others makes
> me realize we truly are a sub-class. Am I going to tolerate it? Not
> as long as I am able to think rationally. Practicality is balanced
> with forging a better life for myself, and ensuring that Ben, Jake
> and Dom don't have to go through what we have. John, as an American
> you have power. Your vote. I really don't think Sen. Clinton is ever
> going to listen, much less be on our side. Right now I think Ron
> Paul is the only chance this country has. The founding fathers would
> not tolerate what''s going on. 

> I don't disagree with what you're doing as far as civil disobedience
> goes but I think you're wasting your time on Billary. Obama's giving
> her the jitters-she needs to have that smug grin wiped off her face
> by somebody. As for what to do, I don't know. Again, I have agreed
> with a fellow NCP that we should look at a peaceful sit-in, not
> violating any laws but not doing nothing. I think in your case you
> pushed boundaries until they made false ones. Just showing up with a
> picture of Dom? Gimme a break. You were made example of. That's what
> you can expect and more if she becomes President. Get out the vote
> NOW. I can't tell you how to vote but you're a smart guy-anyone who
> can graduate from the Academy and fly T-38's is. If you have to vote
> against, do so. We'll talk more.



5. Your FEEDBACK - Baskerville book.
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Original message: http://www.AKidsRight.Org/archive/archive2007/0042.html

--- Neil Pollicino <spirgroup at yahoo.com>

> that Baskerville book nails it!  regards, Neil


--- thomas.conway at themadnucleus.com

> Anyway - I just wanted to thank you for the post on "Taken Into
> Custody."  I am in complete agreement with you. All of us in this
> boat absolutely must buy and support this book. It's popularity is
> directly related to our cause(s). If it goes out of print, it will
> be a significant indicator as to whether we have any chance in
> reform. Additionally, we need to attract the major retailers by it's
> perceived popularity - until they think there is money in it -
> nothing will happen.
  
> I've purchased 5 copies and caused another five to be
> purchased. Three of the 11 reviews are related to me (one my own and
> 2 from my family/friends who have also read the book).
  
> If you look at this clearly, 11 reviews is abysmal. Maureen Dowd's
> Book "Are men Really Neccessary" probably had 3 times that in the
> first week of publishing. It also had complete display stands in the
> major retailers.
  
> We can not overemphasize the importance of this book and our support
> through purchases and reviews.

-- 
                                       John Murtari
____________________________________________________________________
Coordinator                            AKidsRight.Org
jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org                "A Kid's Right to BOTH parents"
Toll Free (877) 635-1968(x-211)        http://www.AKidsRight.Org/

From jmurtari at AKidsRight.org  Fri Nov 16 12:52:23 2007
From: jmurtari at AKidsRight.org (John Murtari)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:52:23 -0500
Subject: Growing weary of the reform effort?
Message-ID: <18237.55511.973152.157469@hammer.thebook.com>

Good People & People of Faith,

Weary of reform?  I wanted to say tired, but maybe weary says it
better.  Something that starts to sink into your very being and
effects your whole body.  Weary of the email, the in-fighting, the
courts, the former spouse, keeping some type of contact with your kids
and a growing voice that says ....  give it up -- things will never
change... you are wasting your time & your life... move on.

I've felt some real weariness over the past few months. In and out of
court, in and out of jail, the noise, the not knowing -- it was just
getting old.  This has been going on for over 5 years at the Federal
Building -- I could even begin to sense that the Judge and Prosecutor
were starting to get tired.... http://www.AKidsRight.Org/clinton

There are still two pending contempt charges for violating a Federal
Magistrate's 'stay away' order.  I'll be adding one more when I return
to the building in early January.  I just found out I've been
appointed an assigned counsel. That the contempt would be a
'misdemeanor' charge, a real 'crime' now and a more serious
penalty. He told me there would be a change of faces in the Court
room.  It appears US Magistrate DiBianco does not want to handle the
trial and Asst. US Attorney Southwick also asked for replacement.

Can you blame them? Every appearance in the Court room was beginning
to feel like 'Ground Hog's Day'.  How many of you have had the same
type of feelings?  Nothing you do matters, the same faces and
attitudes, and if anything changes -- it only gets worse?


Why me?
-------
Ever ask yourself that? Come on, join me, look in the mirror -- aren't
you a kind, caring, sensitive person that was victimized?  Oh, you
have a few faults: too loving, too trusting, too giving of yourself
(If you believe all that, I've got a sub-prime mortgage I'd like to
sell you!) -- but how could it happen, who's to blame, what to do?

Do you see the soldiers coming back from Iraq: no hands, no legs, no
eyes, and of course, no life?  You remember the famous NFL Player, Pat
Tillman, shot by one of our own in a silly accident.

Do you think that just because you don't wear a uniform you get a
'pass' on the unfairness of life?  That you got a 'pass' on standing
up for what you believe in and potential sacrifice.  You didn't ask to
be in 'combat' (didn't ask to have your family destroyed), not many
soldiers do -- but now what?


What to do?
----------
Live beyond yourself and for others?  Two soldiers: one believed in
what he was doing: protecting our homes, helping people achieve freedom
-- the other, just wanted money for college, get the tour over, and
get back to his life. Both dead. Does their motivation now make any
difference?  I'd like to answer that with a very strong Yes!


Faith in a loving God.
----------------------
Again, I must preface this by saying I'm not trying to 'convert'
anyone, but just sharing my experience and motivation.  As has been
said before the past successful Civil Rights movements using
NonViolent Action were formed around a core of
believers... http://www.AKidsRight.Org/civil_back.htm

There were time in jail when the 'bile' would just start to rise as I
thought of all the pain and injustice we've been subject to -- what's
the use!!!!!!!

I would have to remind myself, in the words Jesus of Nazareth used to
pray to a loving God: Our Father, 'Abba' , 'Papa', 'Daddy'.  Being a
parent made me feel the depth of love I can have for another person,
my child.  It helped me realize what Divine love for us really means.

I try to believe three things: God knows, God cares, and God acts. He
does not need our anger & hatred. We are not suffering alone.  Why
doesn't he always help us?  Not a valid question, but we should never
lack in Faith that a loving God can't act to help us.

Many of us may not 'believe' all this. I believe because Jesus
believed in it enough to die for it.  He did more than talk about
ideals -- he lived them by his actions.  Kept his Faith in some very
'weary' moments, what about us?

Best regards!  Hope to see some of you in early January, chalk in
hand!

-- 
                                       John Murtari
____________________________________________________________________
Coordinator                            AKidsRight.Org
jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org                "A Kid's Right to BOTH parents"
Toll Free (877) 635-1968(x-211)        http://www.AKidsRight.Org/

From jmurtari at AKidsRight.org  Thu Nov 22 08:03:06 2007
From: jmurtari at AKidsRight.org (John Murtari)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:03:06 -0500
Subject: Worth reading: Lincoln's Proclamation of Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <18245.32266.368678.294248@hammer.thebook.com>

Good People & People of Faith,

We all recognize Abraham Lincoln as one of the greatest Presidents,
but in 1863, when he wrote the following message, it would be fair to
say he was 'hated' by a large portion of the public.  The Civil War
was unpopular, there were anti-draft riots, and 'winning' the war was
not a certainty.  Lincoln would also be standing for re-election in
1864 (and while he did win by a large amount), at this time his
chances were regarded as 'slim'. Republican leader Thurlow Weed wrote
to Secretary of State William Seward, "I have told Mr. Lincoln that
his re-election was an impossibility."

Was Lincoln perfect? No. But what made him a great man was a sense of
humility, his committment to ideals and even though engaged in a Civil
War -- he did not 'hate' the people of the South.  Perhaps we can all
learn how to proceed in our struggle agains injustice by reading his
simple message.


  PRESIDENT LINCOLN'S ORIGINAL PROCLAMATION ESTABLISHING 
  THANKSGIVING DAY, DATED OCT. 3, 1863.

The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the
blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties,
which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source
from which they come, others have been added, which are of so
extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften
even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful
providence of Almighty God.

In the midst of a Civil War of unequalled magnitude and severity,
which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke
their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has
been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony
has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict;
while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies
and navies of the Union.

Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of
peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the
plough, the shuttle, or the ship; the axe had enlarged the borders of
our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the
precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than
heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the
waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field;
and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength
and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years, with large
increase of freedom.

No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out
these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God,
who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless
remembered mercy.

It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly,
reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and voice by
the whole American people. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in
every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and
those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe
the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and
Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I
recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to
Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with
humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience,
commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans,
mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are
unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the
Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as
soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full
enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal
of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the city of Washington, this third day of October, in the year
of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the
independence of the United States the eighty-eighth.  

- A. Lincoln

From jmurtari at AKidsRight.org  Fri Nov 30 10:28:19 2007
From: jmurtari at AKidsRight.org (John Murtari)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:28:19 -0500
Subject: Passport renewal challenge/ Ron Paul/ Obstacles & YOUR FEEDBACK 
Message-ID: <18256.11283.558697.580461@hammer.thebook.com>

Good People & People of Faith,

1. Passport renewal - Ready for Federal Case?
2. Ron Paul - His position on Family Law reform?
3. Debra Root - FEEDBACK on obstacles to progress.
4. Your FEEDBACK - on being weary of reform.


1. Passport renewal - Ready for Federal Case?
--------------------------------------------
I (John Murtari) have a lot of Aunts, Uncles, & Cousins in Italy that
I used to visit in the past (all from my Mom's side of the family).
We even went there in 2000 with my son Dom.  Because of 'support
arrears' I'm unable to renew my Passport and I find that very annoying
and a restriction on my liberty to travel.  One of my Aunt's (my Mom's
next youngest sister) is 88, and both Dom and I would like to see her
before she is 'gone'.  There is too much 'irony' in a 'support' mess
stopping me from fulfilling other obligations related to immediate
family!  I'm sure there are some of you in similar situations --
pretty soon you won't even be able to travel to Canada!

Support has never been my main issue for reform.  I feel it's a
distraction from our main focus on Family Rights, but.....  I'm
getting real close to filing a Federal Civil action in our local
District Court regarding this.  The basic argument is 'suspension' of
Passport renewal is an unconstitutional limit of our liberty to travel
-- especially when arising out of a civil matter with very limited
'due process' protections (we all know how arbitrary support
proceedings can be). 

I was getting ready to start work on something when I saw the Federal
filing fee is $350 -- that slowed me down!  Some questions:

* Has any such action been brought in Federal Court before? What
   happened?

* Do any of you have references to any case law for/against?

* Would any of you be willing to contribute for the filing fee if
  I can get this thing ready.  You can see it, make inputs, before 
  I file it.

* Is there a lawyer in Fed. Practice willing to work on this?  You
  would think it would make a beautiful 'class action' suit.

I do think Syracuse, the Northern District of New York, may be a good
venue.  I have 'met' all the Magistrates (that would initially handle
it) and I do feel they respect my manners and know I'm sincere in my
actions -- we might have a sympathetic ear, including the local media.

I'm still planning on returning to the Syracuse Federal Building in
early January.  I have a Dad to join me, but still looking for a Mom?
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/clinton


2. Ron Paul - His position on Family Law reform?
------------------------------------------------
Like me, many of you may have seen messages about the candidacy of
Mr. Ron Paul for President. Some people feel he is our champion for
family law reform.  I went to his web site at:
http://www.RonPaul2007.com/ and didn't see anything addressing the
topic of family law?  I'd like to share some info with folks on the
list.  If you have any web links to direct quotes from Mr. Paul please
let me know and we'll use them in an upcoming message.

If there is another candidate you feel has taken some good positions
on reform, please pass links to that info also ... again, we are
looking for direct quotes.


3. Debra Root - obstacles to progress.
-------------------------------------
[ Debra is an NCP and in a couple of messages below I really think she
hits upon the 'what's wrong with us' as a movement for reform.]

--- Debra Root <dusty6873 at yahoo.com>

> For several days I have been wrestling with with the question you
> posed at the end of your email (Why don't we have the courage to
> sacrifice for what we believe in?)

> How? More importantly, will it matter?

> Indeed, much progress in the area of civil rights for black
> Americans has taken place over the past few decades.  Similarly, who
> would have dreamed that Mandela would eventually become President in
> South Africa?

> This is hopeful, but there is still much more work to be done.  But
> what about us-the dissatisfied non-custodial parent?

> We have many obstacles to overcome....

>    1. We are geographically separated

>    2. Unlike being a member of a minority, our status is somewhat
>    temporary. Change may come when our child(ren) become adults

>    3. We are not understood by the Majority who still adhere to
>    stereotypes (deadbeats, etc)

>    4. Some activists "on our side" are blatantly misogynistic.

> And so on....

I agree a LOT with what you say are the obstacles. I see the same
things and it is pretty depressing at times!  But we have Faith, and
we try -- I guess that is all we can do.  If we worry about 'results'
-- we get frozen.  I have a great quote from Gandhi:

    "He who is brooding over result often loses nerve in the
    performance of duty. He becomes impatient and then gives vent to
    anger . . . he jumps from action to action, never remaining
    faithful to any. He who broods over results . . . is every
    distracted, he says good-bye to all scruples, everything is right
    in his estimation and he therefore resorts to means fair & foul to
    attain his end. Not focusing on "results" gives one the inner
    peace to achieve final goals, this is renunciation."

Does that describe a lot of people in this movement or what?!

> ...  The legal world is one of winners and losers.  It is a world
> that pivots on privilege and money.  Who cares about a few people
> that can't see their children yet still have to support them
> financially?  Surely, they (the non-custodial parent) must have done
> something wrong!

> Non-custodial fathers complaining about paying child support?
> Deadbeats that don't want to support their offspring.  Non-custodial
> mothers?  Drug-addicted nut cases not fit to raise children.

> I challenge ANYONE to give me a reason to believe that anything will
> ever change.  For me, I am comforted by those who understand my
> pain. My son and I wait for the day that we will see each other
> again.  He will be 18 years old in 4 years.

... I'll share one thought from a speech a Black Judge gave at the DC
Rally.  He lived through segregation, he told us -- their opponents
used to say, "Segregation yesterday, today, and forever!" -- they were
wrong.

I know you have been on the list for a long time, you ask 'I challenge
ANYONE to give me a reason to believe...', just look at history, what
happened to segregation, what sacrifice can accomplish.
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/civil_back.htm

Perhaps you/we should ask, "Why don't I have the courage to sacrifice
for what I believe in?"



4. Your FEEDBACK - on being weary of reform.
-------------------------------------------
This message resonated with a LOT of people.  We had a flood of
FEEDBACK!  See the original message:
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/archive/archive2007/0045.html


--- Edna <rejuvenation05 at yahoo.com>

> "Believe only..."  "Do not grow weary in well doing, for in due time
> ye shall reap if ye faint not".


--- Matt <AQUALUNG2 at aol.com>

> Your wrong ... both men are dead....  It has become a waste of time,
> and I have moved forward....

> Don't get me wrong... I hurt for my children EVERY DAY!  But in my
> heart...  I know they will come home someday ... and what goes
> around. Comes around..... And that is what I have to believe to get
> threw my days.....  I continue to raise my other children, who are
> growing into wonderful adults ... and who will have the burden of
> explaining the results of the selfish women how took the children
> from our lives...

You may be correct in how you feel.  Time will tell.  Glad to hear you
have contact with your other kids!


--- "Stephen Baskerville" <sbaskerville at cox.net>
http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/

> Captures it perfectly: weary but faithful.  Thanks for writing this.


--- Paul <paul.d.brundage at nasa.gov>

> Had you read Stephen Baskerville's book, "Taken into Custody?"  In
> my view it's a magnificent piece of work...


--- rc woody <hawkman_019 at yahoo.com>

> Wise words John.  I know that over the past seven years I've had my
> fill of getting kicked and forcing myself to get back up, only to
> get kicked in the teeth again.  I always reminded myself that
> someone, somewhere is going through this torture too, and there is
> always someone who has it worse than you, and God has a reason for
> this happening.


--- ednja at yahoo.com

> Jesus spent alot of time telling about how evil and hypocritical the
> Sadducee's and pharisees were and even went into the temple and
> flipped over their tables.  For those who are Christian, I believe
> it would Christ like to do the same, when we know for sure the evil
> hypocritical things that they are doing to us.

You may be right, but I prefer the story of the Pharisee and the tax
collector praying in the temple.  I think we would be better worried
about our own failures of faith and love, and asking for mercy -- than
going after others?


--- "kriz" <triadd at tennis.com>

>  .... God will have nothing to do with eliminating the corrupt
>  officials in government.

... but if we are 'believers' shouldn't we have Faith in 1) God's help
as we work for justice.  2) Realizing those corrupt officials are also
our brothers and sisters?


--- "Annie Marie" <crc.ky at zoomtown.com>

> What a wonderful and inspirational email.  Perhaps those of us that suffer
> from the system become the best at
> Inspiring on behalf of God.  It gives me great faith to see the strength...
> Powerful...powerful...powerful..


--- Howard Wizenberg <hfw_us at yahoo.com>

> Nice letter. I got myself weary when i was sanctioned for some
> nonsense on the father's list. I used the word Pissed off in
> father's for justice... and removed myself because of the complaints
> of using those words. there is too much BS for me. I now stay quiet
> and watch. I am a lucky one, I have my sons.... But I will NEVER
> forget.

... The lists can be very strange, it really turns into just a flood
of talk without no-one actually doing anything?  I think one bad part
of 'lists' is that you have people spouting opinions from their
'couch', but who never actually attend a real meeting or get involved?


--- Jeffrey Tennis <usctennis1993 at yahoo.com>

> I'm a Christian, my pastor is a Christian and one of my students is
> a Christian, yet we all face the same battle... a battle to preserve
> a relationship with our children against a godless family law
> system.  Your stories and the pics you share -- you and your son --
> are empowering to the rest of us.  "...Restoring the hearts of the
> fathers to their children" may very well have an alternate meaning.


--- Ray Blumhorst <gottkinder at sbcglobal.net>

> Thanks John, I really appreciated that email.  I always wear my
> three Vietnam medals on my ball cap when protesting, and I have a
> commemorative cold war medal I wear too. I just got that certificate
> a few months back signed by Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfield.
> IMO, we FRA's and MRA's are presently front line cold war
> "soldiers," on point against the infrastructure of gender feminist,
> women's studies programs, gender feminist, women's commissions,
> gender feminists lawmakers and other, cultural Marxist, gender
> feminist, women's industry programs arrayed against us through
> family courts - and other places.

> In the service, we took an oath to defend our country from all
> enemies foreign and domestic.  Did either of us think we could/would
> seriously disregard that oath when we returned to civilian life?
> Family courts in America today are very real domestic enemies of
> America working to destroy all semblance of traditional family life,
> and it follows the cultural Marxist belief about an oppressive
> Patriarchy at its core.  Faith in God is a comfort as we are
> wearied, but not beaten by the oppressive abuses that are hurled at
> us by a legal system gone unAmerican towards those it is sworn to
> serve.

> If not us, then who?  Who better than us to confront this domestic
> enemies of America?

> God Bless You.  Hang in there bro.  Nobody knows better than you,
> when it's time to rest and when it's time to stand your ground.


Yes, I would expect parents who have worn the uniform to better
understand the need for sacrifice if the rights of parents (both mom
and dad) to be protected from gov't interference.  But, I don't feel
that women are our 'enemy', no more than I would have felt that
white's were the 'enemy' of blacks during segregation.  It is a
foolish system and we just need to open people's eyes to how bad it
is.


--- Karen Armbruster <lifeinhim2002 at yahoo.com>

> As I read your email I felt pressed upon by the Lord to encourage
> you and send you to the word of God.  Of course I had the perfect
> verse but He sent me to Romans 8:18-39.  I know it is hard but we
> have to do all things unto Him...My heart has been so weary for this
> cause as well, but you have encouraged me through your undying
> efforts.  I can't tell you how I have cried for my husband's
> daughter and even now am fighting back the tears, but the Lord is
> good.  Your son will always know that you fought and fought hard for
> him and so many others.  What you are sowing in him you will reap.
> I have seen this start to show with my step-daughter.  God is
> faithful and he will give you beauty for your ashes.  Don't stop
> fighting.  He is always with you and will never leave you...


--- "Dr. Asif Suleman" <asif at medis.co.za>

> I have not written in a long time to you I understand fully about
> the "burn out" It ain't easy doing so much for so many And still
> facing criticism and having to sometimes justify Your actions and
> words...I too often disagree with your Methods and thinking, but I
> also draw great inspiration from Your commitment....in F4J -KZN ,
> south Africa, the work Is often never ending and often feels like a
> one man show...  Tired and weary with the struggle we grow.....only
> To find that in a weeks time the burning passion for justice and
> Family law reform cant be put out Its an addiction and a
> commitment....  The next case comes along and the flame rekindles
> brighter than ever

> We do this not for ourselves I.e. Adults but for our children And to
> leave behind a legacy, far better for our children than The world we
> entered into HANG IN THERE COMRADE

> DR ASIF SULEMAN [MbChB-NATAL]
> REGIONAL CO-ORDINATOR
> FATHERS-4-JUSTICE[KZN]


--- Frank Votra <sashtool at yahoo.com>

> Weary? Yes!  However, that is the point of the other side and the
> courts for that matter. To make men weary so you will give up.  I am
> convinced the courts hate men as there no Federal money in
> protecting and representing them as there are for women. So they can
> run men through the judicial and legal wringer and make them pay or
> garner federal funding.  When men fall behind in support after
> taking on the burden of paying for protection in court that is even
> better as the arrest will be a warning to other men that the iron
> fist of civil law will come down on you and your legal rights as an
> American citizen will be thrown away.  Indeed, I would say that
> illegal aliens have more standing in a court of law than a father
> falsely accused of abuse or some other slanderous remark used to
> gain court room advantage. Let me clarify that point further. 

> I was issued a domestic violence injunction for calling the women in
> question stupid.  It was a point of fact. It was not slander. I have
> been in court for 12 years something I didn't want to do fighting
> for my rights and that of access to my son and the one thing that I
> have learned is that the civil courts and the liberal judges that
> occupy the bench are both blind and corrupt and who only have one
> goal in mind.  Obtain money.  Be it through sucking from the trough
> of federal programs or imposing a deplorable financial burden on
> men.  Most men go belly up and quit.  The problem is we need more
> men to fight and show what the corrupt courts are doing to the
> nation.

They do try to beat you down.  But I hope we can consider ourself
mothers & fathers fighting for our Civil Right to be Fit & Equal
parents to our children.  We do need more parents to get involved,
actions do speak louder than just words.


--- Jerry Bernard <gandjhomedad at hotmail.com>

> I am Jerry Bernard, President of ECMAS (Equitable Child Maintenance
> and Access Society) in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.  I've been
> following your journey since you went on the IV. thing in the
> summer.  I think you're at a moment in time where most alienated
> parents reach, and give up.  I hate to use the term "give up",
> because we never really do, it's tyhe system or people whom have
> foisted you emotionally to a point where you can't keep up the same
> level of energy required to keep fighting and/or pursuing what's in
> the best interest of the children.  I am pretty close to that
> myself.  I have, hopefully, one more court hearing on Nov 21st.
> It's simply to give back, to my two teenagers, the right to be
> involved with their father.  Should they choose not to, then they
> won't use the opportunity.  I think it is their loss but not their
> fault, nor my fault for trying to give them that right.
 
> What you have done is very important and whether you realize it or
> not, you've given a lot of people courage and the will to battle on.
> I, on the other hand, have done the same in a different way.  I will
> try to continue with our monthly board meetings (as President) and
> continue with our weekly support group meetings and try to make a
> difference where I can.  Currently we have an author (Robert Kennedy)
> whom is visiting out of Toronto to do research for a book on our
> common causes.  I have set him up with 15- 20 interviews for his
> research and hopefully his publication (He is a professor at the
> University of York) sponsored by York U., will make a difference.
> If it does, I'm sure it is only one of the beginnings.  The more
> efforts which groups like ours and your efforts do, the better it
> will be for our children and grandchildren.  I don't expect top see
> a lot of results firsthand but hopefully our descendants won't have
> to go through the same emotional drainings and state of affairs
> which we have to.  In time, I believe the right thing to do will
> prevail.  Thanks for your efforts and I know that you haven't or
> ever will give up.  When they come calling, you'll be there for
> them.  God Bless.


--- Ron <Citroencar at aol.com>

> I too wearied of the legal (for lack of better description that can
> be put in print) system, and resigned myself to the point where, if
> my kids ever wake up from the mind poisoning, I'll be there for
> them. You can only deal with issues you have control of.

> As I have said before, you are wasting your time and now the court's
> time in trying to see Clinton. Her agenda has nothing to do with
> what's best for the country, only what's best for her ego. It's a
> sad time, when egos run the government as well as a major portion of
> American Corporations.

> Spend your energy on keeping ones like Clinton out of
> office. Contact the Republican National Committee and see if they
> would have an interest in your plight. If nothing else, it could be
> a way of getting something started as far as reform goes, as the
> politicians position themselves to make good appearances as election
> time nears. It tried to contact them on your behalf, obviously not
> mentioning your name, but have not been able to get past the "make a
> contribution" part of the web site. All the parties are so fixated
> on raising contributions, they are losing site or their purpose.

I think I have said this a lot before, but if Clinton is anything, she
is a very good politician and is influenced by public opinion -- Civil
Rights are usually supported by everyone (once they are recognized) --
to the extent we as parents are ignored, is more of a comment on our
lack of focus on a clear goal and commitment to our beliefs -- than
it is about her or any politician.


--- Jim Pleace <jpleace at yahoo.com>

> I am clearly weary-I found a picture of my kids right before the
> divorce-Jake was 4 and Ben was 5. Sad-all those years where I didn't
> get to wake up to them at my bedside. I must say struggling to
> define and enjoy what is "time" with them and where does all this
> end is a mental task not easily put into a box-it is an existential
> crisis to be sure. I can say that I really enjoyed my Children this
> weekend on my "non-custodial furlough". Perhaps that's what we
> should call it if we want a definition. That's what if feels like, a
> temporary, repetitive and minute reprieve from being the male in the
> conception of the children. Thank you, tender years doctrine. Does
> it feel like a combat campaign? Yes-although I've never actually been
> to combat I have served in a Marine Infantry Unit and I can say that
> this is the closet that I have felt in a prolonged way that I used
> to feel after long patrols in miserable conditions.  I have real
> empathy for these kids coming home from Iraq and

> I want a better America for their children and mine. My kids are
> aware of what's going on. Do I quit? No. Am I still leading the
> unit? No, but as I believe Greg from NY said, even if I can't lead
> right now and we seem dead in the water, I can still be one of the
> silent masses in wait. I am participating in choosing a better
> President if I can't change State Law. Most of all, my kids know
> that I am THEIR dad and no other. John, my thoughts are with you
> this "holiday" season (I hate that euphemism).


--- Douglas Richardson <dougmrich at yahoo.com>

> You do not stand alone my friend I feel your pain; warriors-true
> warriors often contemplate and second-guess themselves in light of
> really understanding the task they set out to achieve.

> Many days I am very lonely and confused and ponder on the thought I
> am a foolish individual, nobody cares and this will never change. I
> have gone against the grain of this very fight despite losing
> friends and family in belief I have absolutely lost my mind. I often
> reflect to words a very close friend stated to me when I entered
> into this ring, He said Doug be very careful, make sure in the end
> it is not you at your computer alone, and many days is it just that.

> Over the last two years, I have made a spectacle out of my self in
> open public and closed-door meetings.  When I think of the courts,
> the paper trail I have compiled my stomach starts to turn, and I
> actually become nausea. I am often disgusted with my self for
> letting this live my life, instead of me living my life. My father
> was a tough skinned individual who would not accept no for an
> answer, he has left some very large shoes to fill.

> I have convinced myself a few times over the course of the last few
> years, ITS OVER I am moving on with my life and not looking back, I
> can not bear another day of living like this, feeling so used and
> useless. When I did pause for short briefs of time I have
> discovered, or am at least under the belief it is gods way of saying
> take a break and ponder on what you have invisibly achieved. You
> have gained friends you would have never known, you have come to
> really understand yourself and what has happened to you by actions
> of others. You have created awareness only you could do by sharing
> your life with complete strangers. While I may not have
> simultaneously changed the wrongs that are being done in the
> family?? courts, I have certainly shown reason for change. I may
> not be alive to witness the day of reckoning but my words and
> actions will last forever.

> I hope and pray, that our children will be free to live there lives
> and enjoy the freedoms America has to offer, because of that hope, I
> will take this too my grave. The individuals that engage in this
> type of fight are constantly put under extreme scrutiny and endure
> more resistance then the average person could ever fathom. It really
> does take special bread, both on a physical and emotional level to
> continue in this fight, John you are one of those special
> individuals that is willing to stand for the ones who can not stand
> for themselves, just as our fallen soldiers. Do not waste that god
> given gift, you are being heard from afar.


--- Debra Root <dusty6873 at yahoo.com>

> You are certainly the "shining light" for those of us who suffer the
> indignity of being shut out of our child(ren's) lives.  Yes, we are
> weary.  Some of us have given up-we do not expect any change in our
> particular situations nor reform in our lifetime.

> I respect your faith. Moreover, I respect the fact you do not expect
> everyone to embrace it.

> Divorce, child custody, whatever, is a relatively new phenomenon.
> The jury is still out; the history has not been written yet. It
> is-in many ways-treated like leprosy.  In other words, it is all
> pervasive but usually someone else's problem.

> In my opinion, nothing short of a revolution will change the
> unspeakable situation of many non-custodial parents.  The legal
> world is one of winners and losers.  It is a world that pivots on
> privilege and money.  Who cares about a few people that can't see
> their children yet still have to support them financially?  Surely,
> they (the non-custodial parent) must have done something wrong!

> Non-custodial fathers complaining about paying child support?
> Deadbeats that don't want to support their offspring.  Non-custodial
> mothers?  Drug-addicted nut cases not fit to raise children.

> I challenge ANYONE to give me a reason to believe that anything will
> ever change.  For me, I am comforted by those who understand my
> pain. My son and I wait for the day that we will see each other
> again.  He will be 18 years old in 4 years.

... I'll share one thought from a speech a Black Judge gave at the DC
Rally.  He lived through segregation, he told us -- their opponents
used to say, "Segregation yesterday, today, and forever!" -- they were
wrong.

I know you have been on the list for a long time, you ask 'I challenge
ANYONE to give me a reason to believe...', just look at history, what
happened to segregation, what sacrifice can accomplish.
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/civil_back.htm

Perhaps you/we should ask, "Why don't I have the courage to sacrifice
for what I believe in?"



--- Theresa Ivey <terri1715 at yahoo.com>

> I appreciate everything you have done in your efforts for your child
> and countless others.

> So many scriptures came to mind as I read your post. Here are a few
> of them. I hope the Lord uses them to refresh and strengthen you.

> Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
> against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
> darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
> KJV

> Galatians 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due
> season we shall reap, if we faint not.  KJV

> John 16: 33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might
> have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good
> cheer; I have overcome the world.  KJV

> Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time
> are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed
> in us.  KJV

> Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
> and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying,
> neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are
> passed away.  KJV

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                                       John Murtari
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